Comments on: Doctrinal dicastery explains how, when gay couples can be blessed https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/ The New Zealand National Catholic Newspaper Tue, 26 Dec 2023 00:04:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Andrew Carstairs-McCarthy https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/#comment-100427 Tue, 26 Dec 2023 00:04:54 +0000 https://nzcatholic.org.nz/?p=27651#comment-100427 In reply to Jane Lamont.

I agree with Jane entirely. The Church on earth (including the first Pope, the apostle Peter) believed for centuries that there is nothing sinful in owning slaves. But the Church now acknowledges that this is wrong (see Catechism 2414). Why did this take so long? Answer: because the Holy Spirit (like Jesus on earth) does not change anyone’s firmly-held beliefs by force. Similarly, the Church on earth is now at last groping towards an acknowledgement that she has been wrong for centuries about committed same-sex relationships.

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By: Tertia https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/#comment-100037 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 06:52:42 +0000 https://nzcatholic.org.nz/?p=27651#comment-100037 In reply to Jane Lamont.

The Catholic Catechism does not cost too much.
For most people it represents the teaching of Christ.
It is clear enough, particularly on the subject of homosexuality.
“The Christian of the future will be a mystic or not exist at all”
(Fr Karl Rahner SJ.)
Obviously this does not equate to
“The Christian of the future will be a psychologist or not exist at all”.
Unfortunately certain Catholics think this way.
Psychology is used by certain theologians. But devout Catholics know
the meaning of “an occasion of sin”, and avoid it, without the need of
any degree in psychology. They also know what sodomy is.
The acid test (still ignored today), is youth.
WHERE are they today? IN DROVES coming to church?
The other related (ignored) factor is BIRTHRATE.
EVERY country in Europe, along with Canada, USA, Aust, NZ,
has a birthrate BELOW 2. But not Afghanistan @ 4.0
German Bishops, Fr Martin busy themselves about gays/lesbians,
but appear not to see the bigger picture- EU birthrate. This is why
Gaddafi spoke of the irrelevance of terrorism, as in a few decades
there will be a MUSLIM Europe anyway. This is of course in line with
history- Afghanistan, once Buddhist.
Malaysia, Pakistan, once Hindu.
Iraq, North Africa, Turkey, once Christian.
Meanwhile the message coming from the Vatican is
“not to breed like rabbits”.
The European union is pro-choice, and penalised
pro-life CATHOLIC Poland to the tune of one million Euros,
for non compliance with the EU.
EVERY year aprox. 70,000,000 abortions occur globally.
This is where the discussion should be heading instead of
in Fr Martin’s direction, or the German bishops.
Gays/ Lesbians have a soul. Their’s also is worth saving. But
to be quite frank, there are better ways than what is being
served up to Catholics at the moment. Social justice is a
slightly bigger picture and is not being addressed; certainly NOT
by Rome which hosted pro-choice “Catholic” Pelosi and
and pro-choice “Catholic” Biden without proper
correction.

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By: Dr.Cajetan Coelho https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/#comment-99998 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 15:15:11 +0000 https://nzcatholic.org.nz/?p=27651#comment-99998 The Creator understands creatures better than fellow mortals do. Praise the Lord now and forever more. Amen.

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By: Jane Lamont https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/#comment-99981 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:06:25 +0000 https://nzcatholic.org.nz/?p=27651#comment-99981 It is a blessing on 2 gay people in a relationship. Yes, not a sacramental marriage but certainly an acceptance from Rome thar science has taught us more about homosexuality than before and that gay people do love. Fr Felix Donelley was correct all those years ago. We are now blessing them. No sin.

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By: Tertia https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2023/12/19/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed/#comment-99884 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 00:10:20 +0000 https://nzcatholic.org.nz/?p=27651#comment-99884 NO two homosexuals can EVER fall in love (anima/aniimus).
ONLY two heterosexuals can fall in love.
NO two homosexuals can EVER make babies the same as two heterosexuals.
Nature does not spring from grace. Grace springs from nature.
Grace cannot be bestowed on what is NOT natural.

EVERY Bishop knows that.

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